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Chiji 001

Chiji 001

Photography Photography \ Figure | 06/26/08 @817 | Byonder | Comments critiques (43) | Views views (982)


Chiji 001
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Did a shoot for a fashion designer a few weeks back. This is one of the shots from it.

Model: Chiji
Fashion Designer: Layo G. (www.glossattitude.com)
 
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Avatar rifty

 06/26/08 @865

great colors!! and good composition!!! +10
 
Avatar ThruMyEyez

 06/26/08 @956

Good pose and high contrast lighting. Well done.
 
Avatar GTO

 06/27/08 @981

great work...like the presentation format...
 
Avatar cgaddict

 06/27/08 @017

Very nice work. I'm a huge fan of dynamic lightning situations like this. +10
 
Avatar fumera

 06/27/08 @031

IMO B/W works better.
 
Avatar Byonder

 06/27/08 @093

In my opinion, black and white would subtract quite a bit, since the clothes / colors are a focal point.
 
Avatar Jacobine

 06/27/08 @390

Great work! I love the lighting :)
 
Avatar fumera

 06/27/08 @446

The problem is, i think you have to much of it.

Had some problems with the blue color tones in here skin and dress, which was the reason for the B/W comment.
This is a two layer combo one the top one in B/W and with a layer mask for her skirt and shoes. Blending mode: Lighten.
 
Avatar Byonder

 06/27/08 @485

I think you need to check your monitor calibration, Mario. The image you linked is over-exposed and flat. On a correctly color-calibrated monitor the colors should be rich, but there should only be a bit of the blue fill-light.
 
Avatar moserArtist

 06/27/08 @494

@Byonder: Maybe you forgot to mention the word "thanks". ;)
The guy is at least trying to come up with some constructive suggestions and takes the extra time to work your composition. Although you may be totally right about the monitor settings I still think it is a nice thing to use that wording sometimes.

I like her pose a lot. Actually more than the light in her face. Her eye looks a bit odd in the resized version (on my monitor).

I would too keep this in color.
 
Avatar fumera

 06/27/08 @496

In the Browser you'r right it is overexposed.
Save the image and open it in PS. Browser don't support color profiles.;)
You didn't add a color profile to your image thats probably cause of the misinterpretation.
 
Avatar moserArtist

 06/27/08 @549

R u some Photoshop wizard @fumera? LOL

How do you add the color profile as you just mentioned?
 
Avatar Byonder

 06/27/08 @559

Nope, looks the same in Photoshop for me. She looks Ashy. I'm also wondering why you'd use color profiles that aren't supported in the browser? The whole point of Internet presentation is to make it accessible to a wide audience (most of which will not be using color profiles).

I appreciate the suggestions to convert it to black and white, if this were a fine-art shot I might do so, but since it's a fashion shot it would be counter-productive.
 
Avatar chrisgraphics

 06/27/08 @581

I don't see any problems in the original image. If first converted to sRGB, web images don't need to have any embedded color profile, in order to make them look approximately the same across a wide range of monitors. The blue tones on the right come from a blue gelled flash, it's not a color error.
But I like fumera's muted version, too.
 
Avatar fumera

 06/27/08 @617

The Skin is supposed to look ashy and slight desaturated. As you said you wanted to draw the focal point to her dress, since this picture was shot for fashion.
Now you got this blue gelled flash in her Face and parts of her Dress and skirt which at least in my opinion draws the attention away from a classic fashion shot.
Unfortunate is maybe also the dark background that has no significant contrast to the Model and Dress.

As an celebrity shot i have nothing to add except the 10pt.

to  Mr.Mozer
Her a link to a nice learning Video on how to setup your Color Profile
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SzAdrNeLLM&NR=1
 
Avatar fumera

 06/27/08 @641

Also for Elite moserArtist
I just read that finally firefox 3 now supports color management
http://lifehacker.com/396742/tweak-firefox-to-display-richer-colors
 
Avatar Byonder

 06/27/08 @650

Cool, but I still don't really see the point in being able to see things differently than 90% of the rest of the web.
 
Avatar fumera

 06/27/08 @675

If you want to give objective reviews about other artists artworks on photo communities such as gfxartist.com, it can be a really helpful ;):)
Plus you can avoid a heck of a lot discrepancies in presentation on other screens and printers by just using universal color profile standards such as "ADOBE RGB 1998" or some of the other ICC standards. You then can decide whether you want to embed it or not. I usually tend to do so. Especially when you have pictures with great amounts of black or white transitions.


I then open the images an take a closer look ;)
 
Avatar Byonder

 06/27/08 @690

That's nice that you go through all that trouble -- to me though, it's a waste of time.

Also, the attention-span of most Internet users is about 15 seconds (and that's actually being generous). Most people aren't going to bother opening up images in PS just to see if they might have a color profile attached to them.

These images aren't being printed, so assigning color profiles will actually result in the vast majority of people being unable to see the image how you intended. Better off just color-correcting in the default space that most people will view it in.
 
Avatar chrisgraphics

 06/27/08 @693

Agree with Byonder.

Besides, Firefox 3 color management is not enabled by default. Same thing with IE 7. Therefore, at this moment, if you embed a color profile other than sRGB, you get wrong colors on these browsers for most users.

The best practice would be converting your image into sRGB.
But if you do that, then it's also rather pointless embedding the profile for web use, since the browser already assumes it's in sRGB in Vista and will ignore the profile in the others (except Apple's OS). You can embed the sRGB to stay on the really safe side (but which will also add to the size of the file). Although it's not crucial, you can do this, but only once you've converted the image to sRGB.

Personally, for web, I believe color consistency is more important than color accuracy.
 
Avatar fumera

 06/27/08 @725

  • Also working with a sRGB Profile.
  • Dito on the reviews.(happens only to the good ones)
  • Im not a particular fan of mozer's testosterone-driven pictures, just seem to be a good example.
  • Nothing gives you more points then Nudity :) What can i say well... hes "Swedish";) Lucky bastard!
 
Avatar chrisgraphics

 06/27/08 @726

"Also working with a sRGB Profile."
What are you referring to, more precisely?
 
Avatar moserArtist

 06/27/08 @748

"...mozer's testosterone-driven pictures..." - Thanks a lot fumera!
Will remember that for the future... LMAO :p
 
Avatar Byonder

 06/27/08 @764

He was quoting me, but come on... you can't deny that you pander to the lowest common denominator for quick and easy points. I also don't believe for a second that you're not getting your jollies off taking those shots :p If you were going to make the argument that "it's art" you'd have to have a wider range of subjects other than buxom beauties...
 
Avatar chrisgraphics

 06/27/08 @772

:) "lowest common denominator" - cleverly said :p
 
Avatar RvascoF

 06/27/08 @874

Well Fumera has some good points about the blue tones and dark BG and i'll stick with it..
 
Avatar Vasco

 06/28/08 @992

Nice learning from you fumera, cool tips!
Nice work Byonder, liked almost everything, if not everything in this one . Its nice too see you going out of the chaotic compositions!
 
Avatar taaeb

 06/28/08 @014

Great work
 
Avatar Madanapale

 06/28/08 @031

Beautiful lighting!.....very nice capture!
I only wish to see a little more light falling on her chest.
Good work!
Carlos
 
Avatar Jafus

 06/28/08 @054

Very beautiful work!!
really like the discussion above;)
 
Avatar johanflood

 06/28/08 @636

byonder: take a chill pill dude :) this fashion shoot is lacking in some areas . If you want to develop to the next level learn to take critiques. the shoot looks like a standard pose and the model does not come across as extremely sexy or beautiful. The dress is flat and lifeless. Maybe I am being to harsh here but you kind of asked for it with your arrogant attitude.
 
Avatar Byonder

 06/28/08 @677

If you'd care to notice, so far all I've gotten are "critiques" about using color profiles (pointless), and suggestions to make the model look dead. These are not helpful, nor do they really have anything to do with the actual photograph.

So far, Carlos has been the only one to offer a helpful critique, suggesting that more light fall on the model's chest. I appreciate and agree with that critique.

"The dress is flat and lifeless?" What does that even mean? If you're going to attempt a critique at least offer something intelligible.
 
Avatar ARZILLIER66

 06/28/08 @743

Nice composition Brandon
I like the light and agree Carlos comment
 
Avatar androx3k

 06/28/08 @772

not an expert in portrait, but I like it :)
 
Avatar moserArtist

 06/28/08 @772

This is getting really good! :p

Don't know what you do Brandon to come out arrogant. Must of course be a total misunderstanding... ;)
 
Avatar Byonder

 06/28/08 @788

Must be a Swedish perception ;)
 
Avatar fumera

 06/28/08 @801

I'm gonna put it in layman's terms one last time because i thought i gave you more suggestion then just "making a model look dead"

  • Try next time using a white Background just like it was done in all or most of the other pictures on www.glossattitude.com.
  • Try using more and most importantly natural lightning to avoid distraction.
  • Try using a bigger model something that falls into a natural pattern. (Because Woman don't buy fashion for Dwarfs )
 
Avatar Byonder

 06/28/08 @817

Thanks for the suggestions. A white background might be nice for corporate portraits. Incidentally, I had a corporate photo-shoot last week, and I used a white-backdrop. White = formal (a.k.a "boring" )

Do you have any professional experience to go behind these suggestions? Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the style in which high-fashion shots are typically executed? Every "con" you've mentioned was specifically requested by the fashion designer. She requested a black backdrop, requested a blue fill-light, and wanted to use her own model. She also provided samples that she wanted me to emulate. She wanted a darker look than everything else on her site. The end results were exactly what she was looking for. She was happy, I was happy. Done and dusted.

Also, this is "high fashion." These clothes aren't designed to be worn in a practical environment, so the chances of anyone actually purchasing them (before going through a consumer-geared redesign) is next to nil. These aren't "product shots."
 
Avatar moserArtist

 06/29/08 @284

Did you shoot any of the photographs which are published on the site: www.glossattitude.com ???
 
Avatar Byonder

 06/29/08 @552

No. What does that have to do with anything? My shots will be added as soon as her Webmaster gets around to updating the site. This is the Fall '08 line.
 
Avatar Maddagone

 07/05/08 @777

wonderful.... the light on her dress and her face great...also that she stands out from background. Top marks!
 
Avatar killadore

 07/13/08 @619

I like it. the pose is cool, the colors are really nice. the light is maybe a bit too strong..I'd like to see the textures on the top too, since it's a fashion shot
 
Avatar sdavis75

 08/13/08 @581

Excellent shot. Her pose and expression are comfortably natural. The side lighting and dark background work well. The overall vibe of the shot is dark and brooding in a sexy sort of way.

I would be interested to see a setup like this using a warm light. A slight yellow/red cast to the highlights against the dark backdrop might create an interesting contrast.

Anyway, very nice work. +10
 
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  06/25/1982 (26)
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